Sure, Glenn Beck is an ass. Even so, my jaw dropped when he said, “I would rather have my children stay home and have all of us who are over 50 go in and keep this economy going and working, Even if we all get sick, I’d rather die than kill the country.” As a friend said at the time: “You first, Glenn.” Alas, it ain’t just Fox-types. Last month Forbes gave a “whew” that the elderly death toll was much higher than for the “working age” populace. Uh huh. And who are we talking about here? Who are these “elderlies?” We are all one big dis-empowered group of fragile old farts. It’s how all the “isms” work — lump ’em all together.
So. It’s official. We’re invisible? As if. For starters, we’re running the country (although I do not want us to take credit for that shit show.) But what about, in contrast, Mary Jo Laupp, the #TikTok Grandma whose impact on Trump’s first Oklahoma conference caused utter and delicious chaos — empty arena much?
This piece pulled its own switcharoo — chatting with Glorious pal, Héctor Lionel, we wanted initially to do a pictorial of the 60+ crowd who had to skip the demonstrations for health reasons. What I found: vital, involved, fascinating political creatures bringing their own history, lessons and know-how to the movement. They needed to be heard — and seen.
ELIZABETH WHITE, 66
Elizabeth’s sophisticated mind is a delicious combination of scrappy, wise, confident, worldly. She’s a member of my Glorious Broads clan. I fell in insta-love with her in-your-faceness at The Atlantic’s New Old Age conference. We keep up via A Tribe Called Ageing — her online think-tank she co-hosts that remains my mid-week highlight. A Zoom that doesn’t suck? She’s that good. Also a published author and TEDTalk star, Ebeth covers aging and financial insecurity. Plenty to talk about these days, obvs.
Elizabeth has been out demonstrating — not leading chants but, like so many of us, exploring options for what’s next. Wondering about what you can do to further Black Lives Matter? Leave it to Elizabeth to show us the bricks …
WERE YOU AN ACTIVIST IN THE 60s?I think I was more of a good girl. You know, do my work, get a job, be responsible. I was that person.
AND NOW YOU HAVE BLOSSOMED INTO A BADASS RABBLE-ROUSER… I guess I have. (laughs)
TELL ME ABOUT YOU IN THE ‘60s…I was coming back to the states at 16 after being abroad for a long time — entering the middle of “I’m Black and I’m proud.”
WERE YOU DISAPPOINTED WHEN YOU RETURNED — OR THRILLED?Well, I grew up as a dark-skinned black girl and then a black woman. I thought everyone saying “Black is Beautiful” would welcome and embrace me. But some residual elements from the past were still in play — old internalized racism — colorism.
But I also saw the movement was important, pushing against convention. Like that was the first time that there was a public acceptance of hair for example. Texture. All of that.
So, I was on my own inward journey to find my footing in a world that was not accepting of me and finding my footing within the black community as well.
HOW DOES WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BLACK MOVEMENT THEN RELATE TO NOW?I have lived through segregation, integration, affirmative action, diversity, inclusion, and equity. What does inclusion really mean? That if you behave yourself you’ll be invited into the circle. So what does behave yourself mean? When you get into the circle, you will be as invested as everyone else to maintain the status quo. And we understand that as women, and I understand that as a black person. You can be in that room and be no more than a decoration.
What I see happening now is a pushing against those boundaries.
WHAT DOES THIS PUSHING LOOK LIKE?Black generals traditionally would never speak out about what they encountered moving up through the ranks. Black executives who get into that inner sanctum — now they are beginning to speak out about the cost of being in there. A number of black friends in organizations are being asked by senior executives, “What should we do?” And they are trying to weigh the balance — can they be candid without consequences? Or are they expected to not rock the boat …
’Cause I think one of the things in our DNA — a long time ago we learned not to antagonize the person with the whip. And it takes some skill to get the person who has the whip to put it down by their side — and then to drop it to the ground.
In any interracial setting — black people are always doing that calculus. Now — people are prepared to take more risk, to be more confrontational.
WITH THE NEW GENERATION — ARE THEY THINKING ABOUT THE WHIP?Depends on the age. 80% of people over 65 are white — with Gen Z, 52% are white. 48% are not. They acknowledge the whip, and have willingness to join together. This is very different from when we were coming up.
Older white people have a posture of helping — “we’re gonna help you” — but the young white kids are putting their bodies on the line. Getting thrown out because they can’t support their parents’ racist views. White young people getting in front of black people to protect them from advancing police. It’s not “I wanna help you” — it’s “I am as invested in the outcome as you are.”
SO THIS MUST GIVE YOU HOPE …I feel optimism — but I guard my heart.
WHY ARE YOU GUARDED?There is so much work to do — and there will be cost. And casualties. Consequences. Will people have the stamina? Will white people keep going?
But hope: The size of the crowds in Portland. And the brigade of mothers and grandmothers that were coming out in droves.
I GET CHILLS …You are messing with their kids — and they’re getting pepper sprayed and tear gassed. In this moment color has been pulled off inequality — 50 million people have filed for unemployment. Since early April. 50 million people.
SO ARE YOU OUT THERE NOW? IN THE MIDDLE OF THINGS?I just had to go. I went to 3. I had my mask on. My gloves. As an older person I had to be on the edge ’cause — I’m fit enough but I can’t run like these kids do.
As a black woman, to see all of these people holding up Black Lives Matter signs — I mean you can’t — this is for me? This is for my grandson? This is …
Occasionally I would see another older black woman and we would lock eyes — it would be — can you believe that this is happening? For us? Look around …
SO IT’S NOT THE SAME FIGHT AS IT WAS IN THE 60s, IS IT?It feels … different. One of the days I saw a Black man with three teenage boys. He was pointing to things, educating them — like the vents that they put in Lafayette park covered with signs. He’s talking to these young brothers about what they are reading.
I’M LOSING IT …You go down there and it has a bit of a festive feeling — and that’s why I say — it’s no longer a sprint — it’s going to be a marathon. And then figuring out how I — what do I want to do.
AND WHAT DO YOU WANT AS AN ACTIVIST?At our age, we’re not gonna be on the front line. So what I have been thinking about and acting on is the brick I am throwing. We use bricks to tear down and we use bricks to build.